Kommentare zu: Indianer-Show in Bielefeld (Radrennbahn) bis 5.8.2007 – Mannheim (Maimarktgelände) vom 13. Juli – 22. Juli 2007 http://drveda.wordpress.com/2007/07/13/indianer-show-in-mannheim-maimarktgelande-13-juli-22-juli-2007/ Handlungsanleitungen für eine bessere und friedlichere Welt Thu, 05 Mar 2009 11:03:10 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 Von: Kim http://drveda.wordpress.com/2007/07/13/indianer-show-in-mannheim-maimarktgelande-13-juli-22-juli-2007/#comment-350 Kim Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:37:24 +0000 http://drveda.wordpress.com/2007/07/13/indianer-show-in-mannheim-maimarktgelande-13-juli-22-juli-2007/#comment-350 Congratulations to Ingo Schonhold who won his case against Willy Bievers and Serena!!!! Ingo has been encouraging to us even when things were looking bad for us, he supported us. Thank you Ingo and we are happy that you got what is due to you. Also, we appreciate the kindness you showed to our children. Mine in particular, still reminisce about our time together, and Aiden in praticular. We appreciate everyone who has helped raise awareness, funds, and prayers in our effort. Kindly, Kim Congratulations to Ingo Schonhold who won his case against Willy Bievers and Serena!!!! Ingo has been encouraging to us even when things were looking bad for us, he supported us. Thank you Ingo and we are happy that you got what is due to you. Also, we appreciate the kindness you showed to our children. Mine in particular, still reminisce about our time together, and Aiden in praticular.
We appreciate everyone who has helped raise awareness, funds, and prayers in our effort.

Kindly,
Kim

]]> Von: Kim http://drveda.wordpress.com/2007/07/13/indianer-show-in-mannheim-maimarktgelande-13-juli-22-juli-2007/#comment-343 Kim Mon, 22 Sep 2008 22:24:49 +0000 http://drveda.wordpress.com/2007/07/13/indianer-show-in-mannheim-maimarktgelande-13-juli-22-juli-2007/#comment-343 Blessings to all that continue to help us spread awareness of our experience in Germany. We are continuing our lives in pursuit of our own happiness. My family likes to powwow or participate in native activies every chance we get. We got to spend some time yesterday with the Veterans of the Seminole nation. Lots of elders to learn from and share with. We must continue to learn on our journey and take our children along to learn with us. I was very proud of my baby, Aiden, she spoke with and LISTENED to elders, which is what is missing now days from our young people. Listen more, people! You will be blessed. As we continue our journeys, we will continue to pray for peace for everyone! blessings, Kim visit myspace and see Aiden dance for the people in a special buckskin exhibition! http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=362395179 Blessings to all that continue to help us spread awareness of our experience in Germany.
We are continuing our lives in pursuit of our own happiness. My family likes to powwow or participate in native activies every chance we get. We got to spend some time yesterday with the Veterans of the Seminole nation. Lots of elders to learn from and share with. We must continue to learn on our journey and take our children along to learn with us. I was very proud of my baby, Aiden, she spoke with and LISTENED to elders, which is what is missing now days from our young people. Listen more, people! You will be blessed. As we continue our journeys, we will continue to pray for peace for everyone!

blessings,
Kim

visit myspace and see Aiden dance for the people in a special buckskin exhibition!
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=362395179

]]> Von: Jutta http://drveda.wordpress.com/2007/07/13/indianer-show-in-mannheim-maimarktgelande-13-juli-22-juli-2007/#comment-341 Jutta Sat, 13 Sep 2008 11:22:52 +0000 http://drveda.wordpress.com/2007/07/13/indianer-show-in-mannheim-maimarktgelande-13-juli-22-juli-2007/#comment-341 @Kricket and Kevin ----------------- Original Message ----------------- From: First American Performing Artists Date: Sep 10, 2008 12:48 AM from myspace Grassroots was what Tom Morgan was calling us when we were dancing. If you had been listening you would have remembered that. Go to a meeting and then you would be able to say you voted and be up to date and know the name is officially something else. Before a comment is sent be wary of what you may do to our case that is still pending. It could hurt those of us that have to make a living and could still use the money. Otherwise hope all is well for you and yours. Answer from Joel (alias Tony Stewart) The comment is a letter of thanks, not a letter of complaints. Narrow minded as it sounds, I HAVE the right to post what I want and I believe it was received in the right way by Jutta, the woman who has kept me up on what's going on better than R.D. does. I'm not stupid, I remember Tom calling us the grassroot people. I also remember him blowing up in an innappropriate way in front of our guests. AND his unwillingness to learn about our guests and understand its not their fault. Some of them know as much about our culture as the kids I perform for at Kennedy Elementary. They are not accustomed to the circle, but they were eager to learn, as I was eager to learn about them as German people. All I'm saying is I never agreed to the name, as well as other people in our group; who hold their own bias. What I said to Jutta is for Jutta, I appreciate the concern for our cause. I would never do something that would hurt you guys, but if you're still hurting for cash after a years time. If your work fired you because of it, or you lost property or possession because of this month in Germany and nothing to show for it, then this powwow coming up in Germany is for YOU! The people coordinating this dance still remember us, and WILL NOT forget about us! They are honoring our adventure into the unknown. They know we were wronged too. What I've tried to do to show THEM... is that we are thankful for their efforts. And it comes back to me with hurt and bad feelings from my own people. I never would have expected this... to be regarded by my OWN PEOPLE as someone who wants to corrupt their efforts. To give them another reason to not pay us. To not honor ourselves as much as we honor the people who MADE the trip better for ME! ME! I had a blast, and I still believe some of you made our trip difficult from the inside of our group, all of you should be ashamed to be holding grugdes this long. I know the cash will help ALL of us... but getting upset because I'm trying to show emotion to my new friends is not very christian (if I may call you christian, I'm Methodist myself). Thank you for caring about our people as well. I can wait 5 years for this, I can go back to Germany, I can dance for them and not feel bad. I left Germany full of happiness. The money was a dissappointment, yes, but I've grown to see past it. I met people and new friends that money is no equal to. If you don't at least have that, why are YOU are still fighting? @Kricket and Kevin

—————– Original Message —————–
From: First American Performing Artists
Date: Sep 10, 2008 12:48 AM from myspace

Grassroots was what Tom Morgan was calling us when we were dancing. If you had been listening you would have remembered that. Go to a meeting and then you would be able to say you voted and be up to date and know the name is officially something else. Before a comment is sent be wary of what you may do to our case that is still pending. It could hurt those of us that have to make a living and could still use the money. Otherwise hope all is well for you and yours.

Answer from Joel (alias Tony Stewart)

The comment is a letter of thanks, not a letter of complaints. Narrow minded as it sounds, I HAVE the right to post what I want and I believe it was received in the right way by Jutta, the woman who has kept me up on what’s going on better than R.D. does. I’m not stupid, I remember Tom calling us the grassroot people. I also remember him blowing up in an innappropriate way in front of our guests. AND his unwillingness to learn about our guests and understand its not their fault. Some of them know as much about our culture as the kids I perform for at Kennedy Elementary. They are not accustomed to the circle, but they were eager to learn, as I was eager to learn about them as German people. All I’m saying is I never agreed to the name, as well as other people in our group; who hold their own bias. What I said to Jutta is for Jutta, I appreciate the concern for our cause. I would never do something that would hurt you guys, but if you’re still hurting for cash after a years time. If your work fired you because of it, or you lost property or possession because of this month in Germany and nothing to show for it, then this powwow coming up in Germany is for YOU! The people coordinating this dance still remember us, and WILL NOT forget about us! They are honoring our adventure into the unknown. They know we were wronged too. What I’ve tried to do to show THEM… is that we are thankful for their efforts. And it comes back to me with hurt and bad feelings from my own people. I never would have expected this… to be regarded by my OWN PEOPLE as someone who wants to corrupt their efforts. To give them another reason to not pay us. To not honor ourselves as much as we honor the people who MADE the trip better for ME! ME! I had a blast, and I still believe some of you made our trip difficult from the inside of our group, all of you should be ashamed to be holding grugdes this long. I know the cash will help ALL of us… but getting upset because I’m trying to show emotion to my new friends is not very christian (if I may call you christian, I’m Methodist myself). Thank you for caring about our people as well. I can wait 5 years for this, I can go back to Germany, I can dance for them and not feel bad. I left Germany full of happiness. The money was a dissappointment, yes, but I’ve grown to see past it. I met people and new friends that money is no equal to.
If you don’t at least have that, why are YOU are still fighting?

]]> Von: Jutta http://drveda.wordpress.com/2007/07/13/indianer-show-in-mannheim-maimarktgelande-13-juli-22-juli-2007/#comment-340 Jutta Sat, 13 Sep 2008 08:54:03 +0000 http://drveda.wordpress.com/2007/07/13/indianer-show-in-mannheim-maimarktgelande-13-juli-22-juli-2007/#comment-340 @kricket When you read again you will see that this comes frome myspace. In myspace people use art names ;-) The real name of this person who wrote the letter is a fan of Tony Stewart, and his real name is Joel Jutta @kricket

When you read again you will see that this comes frome myspace.
In myspace people use art names ;-)
The real name of this person who wrote the letter is a fan of Tony Stewart, and his real name is Joel

Jutta

]]> Von: Kim http://drveda.wordpress.com/2007/07/13/indianer-show-in-mannheim-maimarktgelande-13-juli-22-juli-2007/#comment-339 Kim Wed, 10 Sep 2008 22:04:44 +0000 http://drveda.wordpress.com/2007/07/13/indianer-show-in-mannheim-maimarktgelande-13-juli-22-juli-2007/#comment-339 Since our return from Germany, I have continued to work on our case, along with a small group of dedicated people. Not because I am mad at anyone in the group, that is ludicrious! Noone can make a situation unbearable, we do that to ourselves. I was proud to sing and dance with some very good dancers and singers who had the burden of teaching some not so accomplished performers, "the ropes". The reason I continue to work and pray on this matter is my children were involved. I am a mother first and foremost. At times, I felt like my children were on the verge of danger. My children were not roaming the streets or on their own. I continue to look out for them. I could and would not turn my back on anyone in the group. People have mistreated our people many times, look at our land and our sacred sites. Myself, I cherish my people, my children and what we have left to call "OURS". If we continue to let people get away with taking/abusing/or trashing what is our traditions, our beliefs, our ways, then we have nothing. The way I carry myself as a Native woman is the same whether I am in Oklahoma, Germany, Montana, wherever i go, I am a Native woman. I do not judge others on what they do, all i can do is be myself and try to encourage others to seek out justice in this case, not revenge. not belittling others. not namecalling, not troublemaking. I try to support the efforts of those in our group. Over Labor day, I went to a gathering where there were several of our group there participating. Those persons participate in gatherings effortlessly and tirelessly in principal capacities. Why? because we want our ways to continue. We want to be able to be blessed in a good way, if you misuse or abuse your ways, how can you find a blessing? We went to Germany on the basis of a contract. We didnt go there for a vacation we were there to fullfill our contract and many did without missing a day! We had the wisdom of our elders to encourage us to finish our obligation with dignity although our performances were tarnished with stories of drunkeness and drug use. Noone is perfect, but why should my conduct be compromised by ignorant selfishness on someone elses part? This type of behavior is likened to the behavior of Willy and Wernor. Not very clean and selfish! Exactly how i was NOT raised to be by traditional people. I continue and will continue to work on our case for all of us. Not just for my kids, but also for the people on down the road, who may also be considering contractural work with Willy Bievers and Wernor Mullendor. Willy did not like it when two mothers stood up to him, why? because what we said was the truth. We are thankful to those that support us in our efforts to raise awareness and money for legal fees. We are thankful for those that give a place to meet and discuss new business. I am thankful for those that give us an encouraging word. I am happy to see those that made the trip on the powwow trail or at tribal ceremonies taking up where they left off not just once a year, but as much as they can! I remain thankful and prayerful about the positive results that the group has already helped to accomplish! Thank you to this blog, for letting us inform you our perspective and helping us to understand yours. I rejoice in the friendship and fellowship we shared and may continue to share! Lets continue to be positive in the efforts of all the Grassroots, First American Performing Artists 2007, or whatever name we want to use. We are Creator's people and names are not the important issue, people and life ARE! I humbly sign my name to this blog, as I always have; Kim Tiger Since our return from Germany, I have continued to work on our case, along with a small group of dedicated people. Not because I am mad at anyone in the group, that is ludicrious! Noone can make a situation unbearable, we do that to ourselves. I was proud to sing and dance with some very good dancers and singers who had the burden of teaching some not so accomplished performers, „the ropes“. The reason I continue to work and pray on this matter is my children were involved. I am a mother first and foremost. At times, I felt like my children were on the verge of danger. My children were not roaming the streets or on their own. I continue to look out for them. I could and would not turn my back on anyone in the group. People have mistreated our people many times, look at our land and our sacred sites. Myself, I cherish my people, my children and what we have left to call „OURS“. If we continue to let people get away with taking/abusing/or trashing what is our traditions, our beliefs, our ways, then we have nothing. The way I carry myself as a Native woman is the same whether I am in Oklahoma, Germany, Montana, wherever i go, I am a Native woman. I do not judge others on what they do, all i can do is be myself and try to encourage others to seek out justice in this case, not revenge. not belittling others. not namecalling, not troublemaking. I try to support the efforts of those in our group. Over Labor day, I went to a gathering where there were several of our group there participating. Those persons participate in gatherings effortlessly and tirelessly in principal capacities. Why? because we want our ways to continue. We want to be able to be blessed in a good way, if you misuse or abuse your ways, how can you find a blessing? We went to Germany on the basis of a contract. We didnt go there for a vacation we were there to fullfill our contract and many did without missing a day! We had the wisdom of our elders to encourage us to finish our obligation with dignity although our performances were tarnished with stories of drunkeness and drug use. Noone is perfect, but why should my conduct be compromised by ignorant selfishness on someone elses part? This type of behavior is likened to the behavior of Willy and Wernor. Not very clean and selfish! Exactly how i was NOT raised to be by traditional people.
I continue and will continue to work on our case for all of us. Not just for my kids, but also for the people on down the road, who may also be considering contractural work with Willy Bievers and Wernor Mullendor. Willy did not like it when two mothers stood up to him, why? because what we said was the truth.
We are thankful to those that support us in our efforts to raise awareness and money for legal fees. We are thankful for those that give a place to meet and discuss new business. I am thankful for those that give us an encouraging word. I am happy to see those that made the trip on the powwow trail or at tribal ceremonies taking up where they left off not just once a year, but as much as they can!
I remain thankful and prayerful about the positive results that the group has already helped to accomplish! Thank you to this blog, for letting us inform you our perspective and helping us to understand yours. I rejoice in the friendship and fellowship we shared and may continue to share! Lets continue to be positive in the efforts of all the Grassroots, First American Performing Artists 2007, or whatever name we want to use. We are Creator’s people and names are not the important issue, people and life ARE!

I humbly sign my name to this blog, as I always have;
Kim Tiger

]]> Von: kricketandkevin http://drveda.wordpress.com/2007/07/13/indianer-show-in-mannheim-maimarktgelande-13-juli-22-juli-2007/#comment-338 kricketandkevin Wed, 10 Sep 2008 05:11:41 +0000 http://drveda.wordpress.com/2007/07/13/indianer-show-in-mannheim-maimarktgelande-13-juli-22-juli-2007/#comment-338 Hello all, Hope all is well for everyone who is reading this. There was no Tony Stewart in our group. Be careful about what you believe. Hello all,

Hope all is well for everyone who is reading this. There was no Tony Stewart in our group. Be careful about what you believe.

]]> Von: fred http://drveda.wordpress.com/2007/07/13/indianer-show-in-mannheim-maimarktgelande-13-juli-22-juli-2007/#comment-337 fred Wed, 10 Sep 2008 04:56:35 +0000 http://drveda.wordpress.com/2007/07/13/indianer-show-in-mannheim-maimarktgelande-13-juli-22-juli-2007/#comment-337 Who is Tony? He was not on trip. Who is Tony? He was not on trip.

]]> Von: fred http://drveda.wordpress.com/2007/07/13/indianer-show-in-mannheim-maimarktgelande-13-juli-22-juli-2007/#comment-336 fred Wed, 10 Sep 2008 04:53:16 +0000 http://drveda.wordpress.com/2007/07/13/indianer-show-in-mannheim-maimarktgelande-13-juli-22-juli-2007/#comment-336 what is up what is up

]]> Von: kricketandkevin http://drveda.wordpress.com/2007/07/13/indianer-show-in-mannheim-maimarktgelande-13-juli-22-juli-2007/#comment-335 kricketandkevin Wed, 10 Sep 2008 04:44:10 +0000 http://drveda.wordpress.com/2007/07/13/indianer-show-in-mannheim-maimarktgelande-13-juli-22-juli-2007/#comment-335 Hello all, Hope everyone who reads this is doing well. We have a list of everyone that went on the trip and we do not have a Tony Stewart. There were people from Germany that came and danced with the group and we do not know all their names but as far as people from the states there was not a Tony on our list. As far as the comment about why the name was Grassroots it was the name that the MC called the group while we were there. So if this Tony guy was even around and coherent then he would recall this. As for our official name it is something else. And we have an escrow account set up for Larry to deposit funds. He has the information. We need to be careful not to believe everything we hear or read. That is a lesson I hope we have learned by this experience and I hope we all remember it. Thank you to all who continue to support our group to right this injustice. --Kricket Hello all,

Hope everyone who reads this is doing well. We have a list of everyone that went on the trip and we do not have a Tony Stewart. There were people from Germany that came and danced with the group and we do not know all their names but as far as people from the states there was not a Tony on our list. As far as the comment about why the name was Grassroots it was the name that the MC called the group while we were there. So if this Tony guy was even around and coherent then he would recall this. As for our official name it is something else. And we have an escrow account set up for Larry to deposit funds. He has the information. We need to be careful not to believe everything we hear or read. That is a lesson I hope we have learned by this experience and I hope we all remember it. Thank you to all who continue to support our group to right this injustice. –Kricket

]]> Von: tony http://drveda.wordpress.com/2007/07/13/indianer-show-in-mannheim-maimarktgelande-13-juli-22-juli-2007/#comment-334 tony Wed, 10 Sep 2008 04:08:03 +0000 http://drveda.wordpress.com/2007/07/13/indianer-show-in-mannheim-maimarktgelande-13-juli-22-juli-2007/#comment-334 There was no Tony Stewart in the group on the trip. There was no Tony Stewart in the group on the trip.

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